Anyone tried this?

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rabidbaboon
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Anyone tried this?

Post by rabidbaboon » Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:12 am

Has anyone tried writing an iMacro for firefox that works on online roulette tables?

The easy, legal win on roulette runs like this:

Choose either red or black. Always bet on the same colour.

First spin, bet 1$

If you win you get $2, and you bet $1 again

If you lose, second spin you bet $2

If you win you get $4, you have spent $3

If you lose, third spin you bet $4

If you win you get $8, you have spent $7

If you lose, fourth spin you bet $8

If you win you get $16, you have spent $15.

I have never managed to lose more than four times in a row. The odds are 50/50 of you winning so you rarely get a bad losing streak.

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I use this myself to make little bits of money for a laugh, but it's so slow that you get bored quickly. Having an automated system to run it for you would be the perfect job.

Is a system that complex possible with iMacros?
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Re: Anyone tried this?

Post by Hannes, Tech Support » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:51 am

The technical answer is: yes. If the site allows for automation, you can code a macro (or a script that controls macros) to perform the pattern you describe.

However, personally I'd not recommend to do follow the "strategy" you proposed, cf. WIkipedia on "Martingale roulette systen"

(Btw. it's not 50/50 as you have the green "0")
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ABooth
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Re: Anyone tried this?

Post by ABooth » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:59 pm

Hannes, iOpus wrote:The technical answer is: yes. If the site allows for automation, you can code a macro (or a script that controls macros) to perform the pattern you describe.

However, personally I'd not recommend to do follow the "strategy" you proposed, cf. WIkipedia on "Martingale roulette systen"

(Btw. it's not 50/50 as you have the green "0")
Not only is it not 50:50, the odds are per spin, so you don't increase the chance of it coming up black next time, just because you got a red last time. The chances of it coming up red again has not changed, so it could come up red, red, red, red ... and you've doubled up each time on less than 50:50 odds. Picking the same color is irrelevant too, because each spin is not related to the previous spin. If you're really lucky, you'll win enough to cover your losses and maybe a tiny bit more, but you've staked $15 at one point in the hope of winning $1 and covering the $14 you've already lost. Why is that good betting?

What will likely happen is you'll double up, lose, double up, lose, double up, win. Start again, lose, double up ... Winning nothing or losing everything

You're always betting to cover your losses or you'll play and win until you lose, then have to spend your winnings on doubling up again. You could double up 'til you've ran out of money and then you're toast. A $1.00 bet can spiral into over $1000.00 after just 10 spins

1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128, 256, 512 = $1023 in just 10 spins. The odds of the table coming up 10 reds in 10 spins is the same as it coming up 5 reds, 5 blacks because each spin is independent of the previous spins. Just think; that 10th spin, you're betting $512 dollars to win $1.00 or more importantly, to cover $511.00 you've already lost.

It's a system that's been around since roulette has and Vegas keep Roulette tables because they know it doesn't work.

The house always wins.
rabidbaboon
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Re: Anyone tried this?

Post by rabidbaboon » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:23 pm

ABooth wrote:
Hannes, iOpus wrote:The technical answer is: yes. If the site allows for automation, you can code a macro (or a script that controls macros) to perform the pattern you describe.

However, personally I'd not recommend to do follow the "strategy" you proposed, cf. WIkipedia on "Martingale roulette systen"

(Btw. it's not 50/50 as you have the green "0")
Not only is it not 50:50, the odds are per spin, so you don't increase the chance of it coming up black next time, just because you got a red last time. The chances of it coming up red again has not changed, so it could come up red, red, red, red ... and you've doubled up each time on less than 50:50 odds. Picking the same color is irrelevant too, because each spin is not related to the previous spin. If you're really lucky, you'll win enough to cover your losses and maybe a tiny bit more, but you've staked $15 at one point in the hope of winning $1 and covering the $14 you've already lost. Why is that good betting?

What will likely happen is you'll double up, lose, double up, lose, double up, win. Start again, lose, double up ... Winning nothing or losing everything

You're always betting to cover your losses or you'll play and win until you lose, then have to spend your winnings on doubling up again. You could double up 'til you've ran out of money and then you're toast. A $1.00 bet can spiral into over $1000.00 after just 10 spins

1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128, 256, 512 = $1023 in just 10 spins. The odds of the table coming up 10 reds in 10 spins is the same as it coming up 5 reds, 5 blacks because each spin is independent of the previous spins. Just think; that 10th spin, you're betting $512 dollars to win $1.00 or more importantly, to cover $511.00 you've already lost.

It's a system that's been around since roulette has and Vegas keep Roulette tables because they know it doesn't work.

The house always wins.
So what you are saying is, when playing roulette it is highly likely to come up red more than four times in a row? It's actually highly likely to come up red 10 times in a row?

When was the last time you flipped a coin ten times and it came up heads every time?

The green 0 has minimal effect on the odds, given that it is one number out of 37. And it only really means one more revolution.

Does that sound sensible to you? I feel we may have baffled ourselves with science a little here.

Have you actually tried it? When I play roulette it usually changes from black to red now and again. As long as I haven't shifted about I'm guaranteed it will hit black eventually.

I never had much luck losing.
Hannes, Tech Support

Re: Anyone tried this?

Post by Hannes, Tech Support » Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:27 am

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Feeling slightly remorse about having left my role as a member of tech support, I will not post in this thread again.
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Thanks for the clear explanation, ABooth.
(Unfortunately "the house always wins" seem to lack persuasive power)
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ABooth
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Re: Anyone tried this?

Post by ABooth » Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:21 pm

Hannes, iOpus wrote:[Edit]
Feeling slightly remorse about having left my role as a member of tech support, I will not post in this thread again.
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Thanks for the clear explanation, ABooth.
(Unfortunately "the house always wins" seem to lack persuasive power)
The point I was making is the odds of a roulette table coming up black has not improved because it came up red the previous dozen spins. Each spin has the same likelihood of it coming up red again, as it does black, even if the previous attempts all came up the same color, because what's important is the previous spins are completely irrelevant to the current spin.

Sure it wont come up red every spin, but the odds are that it will not come up 50:50 red:black either. Over 1000 spins, it is as (un)likely to come up 1000 black as it is exactly 50:50 red:black and more likely 70:30 in bias of one color.

The important thing is: IF it came up 10 reds in a row, the odds of the next spin coming up black have not improved.

Please do not feel remorseful about offering an opinion. It is all in good nature.
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Re: Anyone tried this?

Post by Hannes, Tech Support » Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:28 am

When I select one of the links, the tutorial is loaded and played automatically. Do you use some plugin to prevent the Flash from being played? I guess that's also where your "download" button comes from which is not visible to me at all.
jdockery
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Re: Anyone tried this?

Post by jdockery » Sat May 15, 2010 6:36 am

I just had to comment on this:

Firstly, there are no systems which produce continuous winning results.

The system your referring too is, progressive losing. Although, there are many variations. Ultimately, that is what your going to do, lose! The reward's you reap will be too small to justify such large bet's and if u think red or black won't show up 10-15 times in a row, guess again. Statistically speaking, on an infinite amount of rolls on purely 50/50 odds this will hold true, but all tables have a cap. Once you hit the cap you cannot progressively increase your bet anymore and the house wins on yet another flawed system.

A system that does have potential is progressive winning, because it bases itself on money management and lucky streaks. An avid player of texas hold em' will tell you money management is everything and it holds true of all gambling games. Only betting 1% of your pot or the minimal bet, if 1% of your pot exceeds the minimal, bet 1% of your pot only after winning hands. If your pot drops below 10% of what u brought, leave the table.

Foremost, there are no get rich quick schemes with gambling. The only game that does offer an advantage to the player is Black Jack and counting cards.......which as u guessed most casinos frown upon. Statistically this is the only game that can be played where the player can gain odds over the house.

I know this is an old post, but just in case some other person got this notion, perhaps this post will alleviate your disgust after spending hours trying to get your prog to work only to find it's a failed system and your wallet is a bit lighter.

JD B.S. Electrical Engineering
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