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Filter a table
Hi! I have a big table divided in several pages. The table has an attribute named tracking code that has an input field on the top so you can filter and only show the row that you want. Then each row has buttons in the right, so i want a loop to filter the table following a list of tracking codes that i have in a csv file, and then press a button of the row that is named 'R'. I have the following piece of code
VERSION BUILD=5301016 RECORDER=CR
'Uses a Windows script to submit several datasets to a website, e. g. for filling an online database
TAB T=1
' Specify input file (if !COL variables are used, IIM automatically assume a CSV format of the input file
'CSV = Comma Separated Values in each line of the file
SET !DATASOURCE archivoPrueba.csv
URL GOTO=http://wms.linio.cl/adm/list-awaiting-shipment.php
SET !LOOP 1
'Increase the current position in the file with each loop
SET !DATASOURCE_LINE {{!LOOP}}
' Fill web form
TAG POS=3 TYPE=INPUT:TEXT ATTR=ID:pedido CONTENT={{!COL1}}
TAG POS=1 TYPE=BUTTON ATTR=TXT:R
But whats happening is that the table is not filtering the rows, so the macro is always pressing the 'R' button of the first row. However, when i fill the input field manually, i can filter the table. Please some help! I've been an entire day trying to fix this
VERSION BUILD=5301016 RECORDER=CR
'Uses a Windows script to submit several datasets to a website, e. g. for filling an online database
TAB T=1
' Specify input file (if !COL variables are used, IIM automatically assume a CSV format of the input file
'CSV = Comma Separated Values in each line of the file
SET !DATASOURCE archivoPrueba.csv
URL GOTO=http://wms.linio.cl/adm/list-awaiting-shipment.php
SET !LOOP 1
'Increase the current position in the file with each loop
SET !DATASOURCE_LINE {{!LOOP}}
' Fill web form
TAG POS=3 TYPE=INPUT:TEXT ATTR=ID:pedido CONTENT={{!COL1}}
TAG POS=1 TYPE=BUTTON ATTR=TXT:R
But whats happening is that the table is not filtering the rows, so the macro is always pressing the 'R' button of the first row. However, when i fill the input field manually, i can filter the table. Please some help! I've been an entire day trying to fix this
Re: Filter a table
(F)CIM...! (Read my Sig...)gonzalo.moraga wrote:Hi! I have a big table divided in several pages. The table has an attribute named tracking code that has an input field on the top so you can filter and only show the row that you want. Then each row has buttons in the right, so i want a loop to filter the table following a list of tracking codes that i have in a csv file, and then press a button of the row that is named 'R'. I have the following piece of code
But whats happening is that the table is not filtering the rows, so the macro is always pressing the 'R' button of the first row. However, when i fill the input field manually, i can filter the table. Please some help! I've been an entire day trying to fix thisCode: Select all
VERSION BUILD=5301016 RECORDER=CR 'Uses a Windows script to submit several datasets to a website, e. g. for filling an online database TAB T=1 ' Specify input file (if !COL variables are used, IIM automatically assume a CSV format of the input file 'CSV = Comma Separated Values in each line of the file SET !DATASOURCE archivoPrueba.csv URL GOTO=http://wms.linio.cl/adm/list-awaiting-shipment.php SET !LOOP 1 'Increase the current position in the file with each loop SET !DATASOURCE_LINE {{!LOOP}} ' Fill web form TAG POS=3 TYPE=INPUT:TEXT ATTR=ID:pedido CONTENT={{!COL1}} TAG POS=1 TYPE=BUTTON ATTR=TXT:R
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Re: Filter a table
Sorry, I'm new and a little lost, my imacros version is iMacros for Chrome V8.4.4, my Chrome version is 62.0.3202.94 (Build oficial) (64 bits), and my OS is Windows 8.1
Should i ask this in a different subforum? in that case which of them? Sorry again english is not my native language so sometimes i have trouble understanding.
Here is a capture of the web page that maybe can help to understand my problem.
http://imgur.com/DuP621R
Should i ask this in a different subforum? in that case which of them? Sorry again english is not my native language so sometimes i have trouble understanding.
Here is a capture of the web page that maybe can help to understand my problem.
http://imgur.com/DuP621R
Re: Filter a table
OK for your FCI, perfect...gonzalo.moraga wrote:Sorry, I'm new and a little lost,Should i ask this in a different subforum? in that case which of them? Sorry again english is not my native language so sometimes i have trouble understanding.Code: Select all
my imacros version is iMacros for Chrome V8.4.4, my Chrome version is 62.0.3202.94 (Build oficial) (64 bits), and my OS is Windows 8.1
Here is a capture of the web page that maybe can help to understand my problem.
http://imgur.com/DuP621R
About the Sub-Forum, the "correct" Sub-Forum would at forehand have been the 'General' one, but your Pb (Problem) happens to be related to your FCI and to iMacros for CR only, so you've actually selected the right Sub-Forum by Luck...
I'm surprised actually you don't get any RuntimeError when running/looping your Script telling you that you need to specify '!DATASOURCE_COLUMNS' which indeed is not needed on FF/IE/iMB but required on CR, like mentioned in the Wiki...:
!DATASOURCE COLUMNS
Specifies the number of columns in the input datasource.
Note: This is only required in iMacros for Chrome, all other versions auto-detect the number of columns.
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Re: Filter a table
Thank you for your answer, i added the line to specify columns anyway but nothing changes, im desperatechivracq wrote:OK for your FCI, perfect...gonzalo.moraga wrote:Sorry, I'm new and a little lost,Should i ask this in a different subforum? in that case which of them? Sorry again english is not my native language so sometimes i have trouble understanding.Code: Select all
my imacros version is iMacros for Chrome V8.4.4, my Chrome version is 62.0.3202.94 (Build oficial) (64 bits), and my OS is Windows 8.1
Here is a capture of the web page that maybe can help to understand my problem.
http://imgur.com/DuP621R
About the Sub-Forum, the "correct" Sub-Forum would at forehand have been the 'General' one, but your Pb (Problem) happens to be related to your FCI and to iMacros for CR only, so you've actually selected the right Sub-Forum by Luck...
I'm surprised actually you don't get any RuntimeError when running/looping your Script telling you that you need to specify '!DATASOURCE_COLUMNS' which indeed is not needed on FF/IE/iMB but required on CR, like mentioned in the Wiki...:!DATASOURCE COLUMNS
Specifies the number of columns in the input datasource.
Note: This is only required in iMacros for Chrome, all other versions auto-detect the number of columns.
Re: Filter a table
Yeah, well, post your new Script then, I won't go digging before I can see it, you can have made some Mistake or Typo in that Statement or placed it at the wrong place, etc...gonzalo.moraga wrote:Thank you for your answer, i added the line to specify columns anyway but nothing changes, im desperate
Does the 'Loop' Demo btw work fine...?
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Re: Filter a table
Yes, the loop demo works just fine, in fact i looked at it to know how to make my macro.chivracq wrote:Yeah, well, post your new Script then, I won't go digging before I can see it, you can have made some Mistake or Typo in that Statement or placed it at the wrong place, etc...gonzalo.moraga wrote:Thank you for your answer, i added the line to specify columns anyway but nothing changes, im desperate
Does the 'Loop' Demo btw work fine...?
Here's my complete Script, thank you for your help.
VERSION BUILD=5301016 RECORDER=CR
'Uses a Windows script to submit several datasets to a website, e. g. for filling an online database
TAB T=1
' Specify input file (if !COL variables are used, IIM automatically assume a CSV format of the input file
'CSV = Comma Separated Values in each line of the file
SET !DATASOURCE archivoPrueba.csv
SET !DATASOURCE_COLUMNS 1
URL GOTO=http://wms.linio.cl/adm/list-awaiting-shipment.php
SET !LOOP 1
'Increase the current position in the file with each loop
SET !DATASOURCE_LINE {{!LOOP}}
' Fill web form
TAG POS=3 TYPE=INPUT:TEXT ATTR=ID:pedido CONTENT={{!COL1}}
TAG POS=1 TYPE=BUTTON ATTR=TXT:R
Re: Filter a table
OK..., hum, your Script looks OK to me actually... If the Content of your '.CSV' is correct, it should work like you expect...gonzalo.moraga wrote:Yes, the loop demo works just fine, in fact i looked at it to know how to make my macro.
Here's my complete Script, thank you for your help.
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VERSION BUILD=5301016 RECORDER=CR 'Uses a Windows script to submit several datasets to a website, e. g. for filling an online database TAB T=1 ' Specify input file (if !COL variables are used, IIM automatically assume a CSV format of the input file 'CSV = Comma Separated Values in each line of the file SET !DATASOURCE archivoPrueba.csv SET !DATASOURCE_COLUMNS 1 URL GOTO=http://wms.linio.cl/adm/list-awaiting-shipment.php SET !LOOP 1 'Increase the current position in the file with each loop SET !DATASOURCE_LINE {{!LOOP}} ' Fill web form TAG POS=3 TYPE=INPUT:TEXT ATTR=ID:pedido CONTENT={{!COL1}} TAG POS=1 TYPE=BUTTON ATTR=TXT:R
=> You then need to debug your Script and to follow your Vars with 'PROMPT' and '!SINGLESTEP' and/or 'PAUSE'...:
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VERSION BUILD=5301016 RECORDER=CR
'Uses a Windows script to submit several datasets to a website, e. g. for filling an online database
TAB T=1
' Specify input file (if !COL variables are used, IIM automatically assume a CSV format of the input file
'CSV = Comma Separated Values in each line of the file
SET !DATASOURCE archivoPrueba.csv
SET !DATASOURCE_COLUMNS 1
URL GOTO=http://wms.linio.cl/adm/list-awaiting-shipment.php
SET !LOOP 1
'Increase the current position in the file with each loop
SET !DATASOURCE_LINE {{!LOOP}}
' Fill web form
PROMPT COL1:<SP>_{{!COL1}}_
TAG POS=3 TYPE=INPUT:TEXT ATTR=ID:pedido CONTENT={{!COL1}}
PAUSE
TAG POS=1 TYPE=BUTTON ATTR=TXT:R
PAUSE
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Re: Filter a table
I tried using the script that you posted and i got these
The input in my CSV file is fine
https://imgur.com/a/KTT80
The seach field is filled just fine, but the rows are not being filtered.
https://imgur.com/a/tBa8v
As rows are not being filtered, the script is always pressing the first 'R' button of the page.
https://imgur.com/a/UVsBS
Here is an example of how the page look when i fill the field manually
https://imgur.com/a/q0fnO
Also, if i select the field and press the 'enter' key after is filled by the script i can filter the table, but i tried my macro to do that and couldnt do it neither
The input in my CSV file is fine
https://imgur.com/a/KTT80
The seach field is filled just fine, but the rows are not being filtered.
https://imgur.com/a/tBa8v
As rows are not being filtered, the script is always pressing the first 'R' button of the page.
https://imgur.com/a/UVsBS
Here is an example of how the page look when i fill the field manually
https://imgur.com/a/q0fnO
Also, if i select the field and press the 'enter' key after is filled by the script i can filter the table, but i tried my macro to do that and couldnt do it neither
Re: Filter a table
OK, I understand clearly thanks to your Screenshots. I guess the Filtering takes place "on-the-fly" as you are typing the Track Nb from some background JavaScript on the Page, or indeed if you press 'Enter', but when filling in the Input Field using the 'TAG' Mode, the Page doesn't "realize" that that Field has been filled in...gonzalo.moraga wrote:I tried using the script that you posted and i got these
The input in my CSV file is fine
https://imgur.com/a/KTT80
The seach field is filled just fine, but the rows are not being filtered.
https://imgur.com/a/tBa8v
As rows are not being filtered, the script is always pressing the first 'R' button of the page.
https://imgur.com/a/UVsBS
Here is an example of how the page look when i fill the field manually
https://imgur.com/a/q0fnO
Also, if i select the field and press the 'enter' key after is filled by the script i can filter the table, but i tried my macro to do that and couldnt do it neither
You are on v8.4.4 for CR, that's good, then you need to replace the Line in your Script:
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TAG POS=3 TYPE=INPUT:TEXT ATTR=ID:pedido CONTENT={{!COL1}}
You could maybe add a mini-'WAIT' Statement (WAIT SECONDS=0.5) before the Click on the 'R' Button to allow a little bit of time for the Filtering to take place.
If that still doesn't work, you would need to add the "Actions" of selecting the Field with the Mouse (=> 'CLICK') after it has been filled in (either using your original 'TAG' Statement (which will be quicker) or with the "new" equivalent Statement in 'EVENT' Mode (which will be a bit slower as all Chars in the Track_Nb are typed one by one)) and pressing the 'Enter' Key on your Keyboard (=> 'KEYPRESS'). That should trigger and force the Filtering then... And see if the 'WAIT' Statement is still needed or not...
(The 'CLICK' Statement will have already been recorded if you use the 'EVENT' Mode to fill in the Input Field, it's not necessary to add a second one, that whole 'CLICK' Statement is actually not needed at all and can be commented out, but iMacros will automatically record it when you need to select the Field in order to be able to press the 'Enter' Key. (But it doesn't harm, you can leave it...))
Some Mechanism you could add as well to increase a bit the "Reliability" of your Script would be to use "Relative Positioning" (=> TAG POS=R1) for the Click on the 'R' Button, by first clicking on the Field for the 'Track_Nb' in the Row as Anchor, using the 'TAG' Mode. (And you then replace the 'TXT' Attribute that will be recorded with "TXT:{{!COL1}}".)
(The "R" in "TAG POS=R1" comes from "Relative", it has nothing to do with your "R" Button, it is pure Coincidence... )
The Relative Positioning would actually already "do the Job" of selecting the correct corresponding 'R' Button if the Row was already displayed among the first 50 Results on the first Page..., even without any Filtering...
>>>
Some extra Check for some extra Reliability would be to add a Check on the "Monstrando items del 1 a la 1 de un total de 1" Result Field to then trigger a Conditional 'PROMPT' or Conditional 'PAUSE' to alert the User that stg went "wrong" and that there are (still) more than 1 Result but the Relative Positioning on the 'R' Button would probably still pick the right 'R' Button or would abort the Script if the Anchor is not found... (if you don't use '!ERRORIGNORE'...)
OK, good luck and post your Final Script...
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Re: Filter a table
Thanks for your answer chivracq, but i couldnt make it work with none of the alternatives . Every time i did a keypress or click event i got a message that imacros was debugging my browser. So i had to choose a most inneficient solution, i used javascript and firefox so i made a nested loop that search for all of the tracking numbers in my data source in every page of the table, and i used the relative positioning to press the 'R' button. I know that is far of being the best solution, but at least is working.
var numGuias = prompt("Cuantas guias vas a expedir?");
var numPags = prompt("Cuantas paginas tiene la tabla?");
for(var i = 1; i <= numPags; i++){
var macro = "CODE:" + "\n";
//macro +="URL GOTO=http://wms.linio.cl/adm/list-awaiting-shipment.php" + "\n";
macro += "TAG POS=1 TYPE=A ATTR=TXT:" + i;
iimPlay(macro);
for(var j = 1; j <= numGuias; j++){
var macro2 = "CODE:" + "\n";
macro2 += "SET !DATASOURCE archivoPrueba.csv" + "\n";
macro2 += "SET !ERRORIGNORE YES" + "\n";
macro2 += "SET !DATASOURCE_COLUMNS 1" + "\n";
macro2 += "SET !DATASOURCE_LINE " + j + "\n";
macro2 += "SET !TIMEOUT_TAG 0" + "\n";
macro2 += "TAG POS=1 TYPE=SPAN ATTR=TXT:{{!COL1}}" + "\n";
macro2 += "TAG POS=R1 TYPE=BUTTON ATTR=TXT:R" + "\n";
//macro2 += "WAIT SECONDS = 0.3";
iimPlay(macro2);
}
}
Here is my js code, basically i ask the user how many pages the table has and how many numbers he wants to find and then in each page the script looks for every number and if its there then press the button.
var numGuias = prompt("Cuantas guias vas a expedir?");
var numPags = prompt("Cuantas paginas tiene la tabla?");
for(var i = 1; i <= numPags; i++){
var macro = "CODE:" + "\n";
//macro +="URL GOTO=http://wms.linio.cl/adm/list-awaiting-shipment.php" + "\n";
macro += "TAG POS=1 TYPE=A ATTR=TXT:" + i;
iimPlay(macro);
for(var j = 1; j <= numGuias; j++){
var macro2 = "CODE:" + "\n";
macro2 += "SET !DATASOURCE archivoPrueba.csv" + "\n";
macro2 += "SET !ERRORIGNORE YES" + "\n";
macro2 += "SET !DATASOURCE_COLUMNS 1" + "\n";
macro2 += "SET !DATASOURCE_LINE " + j + "\n";
macro2 += "SET !TIMEOUT_TAG 0" + "\n";
macro2 += "TAG POS=1 TYPE=SPAN ATTR=TXT:{{!COL1}}" + "\n";
macro2 += "TAG POS=R1 TYPE=BUTTON ATTR=TXT:R" + "\n";
//macro2 += "WAIT SECONDS = 0.3";
iimPlay(macro2);
}
}
Here is my js code, basically i ask the user how many pages the table has and how many numbers he wants to find and then in each page the script looks for every number and if its there then press the button.
Re: Filter a table
Euh yep, I just did some Testing on CR for some other Thread, and I saw indeed this "... debugging..." Warning [Cancel/Close] and I just found out that the 'EVENT' Mode seems to be pretty Buggy on CR indeed...gonzalo.moraga wrote:Thanks for your answer chivracq, but i couldnt make it work with none of the alternatives . Every time i did a keypress or click event i got a message that imacros was debugging my browser. So i had to choose a most inneficient solution, i used javascript and firefox so i made a nested loop that search for all of the tracking numbers in my data source in every page of the table, and i used the relative positioning to press the 'R' button. I know that is far of being the best solution, but at least is working.
Here is my js code, basically i ask the user how many pages the table has and how many numbers he wants to find and then in each page the script looks for every number and if its there then press the button.Code: Select all
var numGuias = prompt("Cuantas guias vas a expedir?"); var numPags = prompt("Cuantas paginas tiene la tabla?"); for(var i = 1; i <= numPags; i++){ var macro = "CODE:" + "\n"; //macro +="URL GOTO=http://wms.linio.cl/adm/list-awaiting-shipment.php" + "\n"; macro += "TAG POS=1 TYPE=A ATTR=TXT:" + i; iimPlay(macro); for(var j = 1; j <= numGuias; j++){ var macro2 = "CODE:" + "\n"; macro2 += "SET !DATASOURCE archivoPrueba.csv" + "\n"; macro2 += "SET !ERRORIGNORE YES" + "\n"; macro2 += "SET !DATASOURCE_COLUMNS 1" + "\n"; macro2 += "SET !DATASOURCE_LINE " + j + "\n"; macro2 += "SET !TIMEOUT_TAG 0" + "\n"; macro2 += "TAG POS=1 TYPE=SPAN ATTR=TXT:{{!COL1}}" + "\n"; macro2 += "TAG POS=R1 TYPE=BUTTON ATTR=TXT:R" + "\n"; //macro2 += "WAIT SECONDS = 0.3"; iimPlay(macro2); } }
(I don't like CR, so I never used it, I only (re)installed it very recently on a "new" Laptop that I've already been using for nearly 2 years, but some Thread came a few weeks ago, that was specific to CR, so I finally reinstalled that ugly Browser, and iMacros for CR (v8.4.4) with it of course... Beurk...! )
So OK, you switched to FF, OK..., good-good actually... There was no real Need to use a '.js' Script in your Case, I would think, but your Script looks neat, nice Nested Loop indeed, even if it could easily be done in pure '.iim'..., but hum, watch out with '!TIMEOUT_TAG', Deprecated Command since about 8 years I think, I'm not even sure it still works on v9.0.3 for FF..., and you should mention on which FCI your Script works...
But OK, if you now have a working Script, I guess you're already "happy enough"...
Hum, and mini-Advice, you should use more English in your Script, Var-Names in some exotic Language don't make it easy if you need to ask for Help on the Forum...
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Re: Filter a table
My script works in Firefox 47.0.1, Windows 8.1 and iMacros for Firefox 8.9.7
Thank you again for your help chivracq, I will follow your recommendation about var names if I have another issue in the future.
Thank you again for your help chivracq, I will follow your recommendation about var names if I have another issue in the future.
Re: Filter a table
OK..., yep..., '!TIMEOUT_TAG' still backward supported in v8.9.7 indeed...,but you should still replace it with '!TIMEOUT_STEP'...gonzalo.moraga wrote:My script works inThank you again for your help chivracq, I will follow your recommendation about var names if I have another issue in the future.Code: Select all
Firefox 47.0.1, Windows 8.1 and iMacros for Firefox 8.9.7
(And v8.9.7 still works until (at least) FF v55.0.3 btw, FCI I use myself...)
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